B. John M. Hall (b: ca. 1822) married Susan Goble
JOHN M.2 HALL (JOHN
OR DAVID1)
was born September 1822 in North Carolina, and died November 25, 1913 in Buffalo
Creek. He married (1) SUSAN GOBLE October 11, 1845 in Virginia, daughter
of ABRAHAM GOBBLE and MARGARET
PHELPS. She was born Abt. 1825 in Washington Co., Virginia, and died May 08,
1904. He married (2) M. J.
LILLY October 12, 1884 in Martin County, Kentucky. He married (3) MARTHA
ANN PHELPS September 14, 1896 in Johnson County, Kentucky, daughter of AQUILLA
PHELPS and SARAH HICKEY. She was
born October 1869 in Virginia.
Notes for JOHN M.
HALL:
"John M. Hall's father died when he was an infant child. His family
later moved to Washington County, Virginia. There he married and went to
housekeeping on the Holston River near what was known as the Gap of North Fork.
From there he moved to Martin County, and later to Buffalo Creek in Johnson
County. John M. was a farmer most of his life. He received a limited education,
but a man of normal intelligence and a very kind nature. He served in the Civil
War from 1861 to 1865. While in the Civil War, John served the Union in the 14th
Regiment of Kentucky, Company G." (Jenny Wiley Country - Volume III)
The report from James Henry Hall (ca 1955-1960) states this about his
grandfather: "he was severely wounded in battle in the Shanandoe Valley,
but he recovered from his injuries and came back to his family to what is now
known as the Poore Valley in Wise County, Virginia. "
To date there is no known obituary for John M. Hall.Burial in Hall Cemetery,
Coal, Kentucky. Supposed to have a Civil War Marker. Ron is looking for
it. Cause of Death: Heart Failure.
CENSUS INFORMATION:
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1850 Washington County Virginia, Dist 67, pg
95
 Topo
Map of Appox. Location
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| John Hall 26 VA
Farmer 200 (b: 1824) |
| Susan
21 VA |
| Elizabeth
2 VA |
| (both John & Susan are listed as
unable to read or write) |
| The "Hardy's House" on the
map is the homesite of Hardy Lilly (the older) who moved to Wash.
Co, around 1799. He was the grandfather of the Hardy Lilly
that married Mary "Polly" Hall. This was the
residence of David Lilly at the time of the 1850 census.
Because John Hall is listed in the census between Hardy (the
younger) and David Lilly he lived fairly close to "Hardy's
House." The dotted line along the top of Clinch Mountain
is also the Washington Co--Russell Co line. -Scott |
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1860 Johnson County Kentucky
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| John Hall 39 NC 300/100
(b:1821) |
| Susan
35 VA |
| Elizabeth 12 VA |
| David B.
9 VA |
| Andrew J. 6 VA |
| James L.B. 4 KY |
| Chayseda 6/12 KY |
|
|
1870 Johnson County Kentucky, Rockcastle
Precinct, June 17
|
| John
Hall 45 VA Farmer
(b:1825) |
| Susanna
43 VA |
| David
B. 19 VA |
| Andrew
J. 18 VA |
| James
L. 13 KY |
| Creecy
10 KY |
| John
H. 7 KY |
| Jeremiah V. 4 KY |
| Martin
M. 1 KY |
| Jackson Collins 25 KY
(Son-in-Law) |
| Elizabeth
22 VA |
| Eliza Burchwell 14 VA |
|
|
1880 Johnson County Kentucky, Greasy Creek
Pct. 2
|
| John
Hall 57 VA VA VA
Farmer (b:1823) |
| Susan
50 VA VA VA |
| Edith
20 KY |
| John
17 KY |
| Jeremiah
14 KY |
| Martin
11 KY |
|
| 1890 Johnson County Veterans Census |
John M. Hall |
| 1900 Johnson County Kentucky, Paintsville,
June 1 |
| John Hall July 1826 73* NC
NC NC (b:1826) |
| Martha
Oct 1869 31* KY KY KY |
| *ages were reported as 74 and 32, then
crossed out and changed by census taker. |
|
| 1910 Johnson County Kentucky |
| Listed in the house of his son John H.
Hall: |
| John Hall 84 NC (b:1826) |
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CHILDREN OF JOHN M. and SUSAN GOBLE:
CIVIL WAR SERVICE - by Ron Hall
| By military records John M. Hall was 32 yrs
old when he enlisted in the 14th Kentucky Infantry Volunteers Co. G at
Charley, Ky. From Dec. 10, 1861 until April 1862 he was listed as absent,
sick at home in Johnson Co., KY. June 30 he was awol but was present for
duty in August 1862. At this time the regiment was stationed at Cumberland
Gap and in one heck of a predicament as they were slowly being starved
out by the Confederates who had surrounded the place in early August 1862.
From Sept. 1862 until Dec. 1862 he was listed as being sick in the
hospital in Barboursville. John was captured by Confederate forces,
probably on Sept. 19, 1862 and returned to Johnson Co. Jan. 1863. When
Gen. George W. Morgan and his 7th Division (the 14th KY was part of these
forces) left Cumberland Gap on September 18, 1862 they marched for 16 days
through the mountains of Eastern KY trying to avoid capture and attempting
to reach the Ohio River which they finally did on October 3, 1862 near
Greenup. Morgan ordered all men unfit to march or sick to be left behind
in the hospital. There were about 150 left behind, plus volunteers who
cooked and took care of the sick. From records some Georgia troops
captured the hospital. John was captured in Barboursville Hospital
September 1862, he was returned to Johnson Co. January 1863. John remained
sick in Johnson Co. from January to April 1863 and then is listed from May
to June 1863 as present, but temporary detached on special duty at
Louisa. On Aug. 30, 1863 he was transferred to Co. D 14th KY. He was
present for duty from Sept. 1863, detailed for detached duty as provost
guard in Louisa in Sept. 1863 until including April 1864, From May to Nov.
1864 he was listed as absent sick in hospital in Nashville, TN. Sometime
in July or Aug. he may have been on furlough as there was a note that
stated to "Store from his pay $1.14 for transportation on furlough
from Cincinnati to Cattletsburg, KY. He was present for duty Nov. and Dec.
1864. The company Descriptive Roll describes him as being 38 yrs. old,
fair complexion , blue eyes, dark hair, a farmer born in Johnson Co. He
must have really wanted to be a soldier, judging from his records. Other
men were discharged for disability for a lot less sickness than John. He
was either a very tenacious and stubborn man or had a good reason for
wanting to fight.
For More Information go to the 14th
KENTUCKY INFANTRY WEBSITE - by Marlitta Perkins.
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FOR DISCUSSION:
| 11/04/02 |
I do not have a source for the the marriage
of John M. and Susan Goble other than The
Goble Website. (This is an offsite link to the whole ancestry of
Susan.) The marriage is listed as taking place in Johnson County, Kentucky
- that just can't be possible, the first 3 children were born in Virginia,
the marriage had to happen in Virginia - which leaves me to question the
date that was reported? Any thoughts or other sources? --Angel |
11/04/02 |
Any info on Susan after 1880? Reported
death date is 1904 - I need a source for that - current source is the the
Jenny Wiley books. Is that date correct, where did she die, did she
remarry? --Angel |
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11/02/02
|
I have received a photocopy of John's Civil
War service records. I was hoping for a tiny new clue - nothing so
far :-( I will try and post the legible cards later. --Angel
Descriptive
Card from Company D during transfer - There
are 2 copies, one I darkened so it is a little more legible. --Angel
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11/06/02
|
Let's take a look at
John M.'s birth year.
See the census records above. On his Civil War Service Cards it
states he was 32 in Dec. 1861. Calculate birthdate - 1829.
Birthdate reported as 1822 -age 91 on his death certificate.
Calculate birthdate 1822. (If Jeremiah
thought John was 91, then the record keeper probably just did the math to
fill in 1822.) James Henry Hall reports that John was 86 when he died -
Calculate birthdate - 1827
Of the 9 times we can calculate an approximate birthdate,
a majority of them put his birthdate much later than 1822. In fact,
the average of the 9 dates is almost 1825. My point
with all of this is that, if John M was born about 3+ years later
than we have recorded in our files, then maybe his father may have been
around up until the late 1820's. maybe he was here long enough to leave a
trace of something behind. --Angel
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11/06/02
|
Thank you for the
notes from your
"grandfather in law." I think they are very interesting
and I think they will prove valuable. Having said that, I think it
would be a mistake to interpret them too literally. This is
information from a place and time when people had very little
understanding of geography or history. They never saw the kind of
maps we have and I am sure it was difficult for them to remember the names
of places or the precise timing of events.
I would for instance be very surprised if John Hall's father was born in
England. I think 1800 is a reasonable date for his date of birth but
there was very little immigration from England to the United States at
that time (they virtually all went to Australia after 1776) and even less
to the Southern Appalachians. You probably would not find a single
other individual in Washington County in his age group that was born in
England.
I would guess that he did have an earlier ancestor who came from England
--or Northern Ireland and I think these notes probably have confused John
Hall's father's history with that of his grandfather or great grandfather.
It is much more likely in my mind that the first Hall in America came over
between 1700 and 1750.
Having said all of this, I would not dismiss what he
says. There are clues here about the family history that you may
never get from any other source. I would just not take
this information at all literally. I would certainly not assume that John M. Hall did not have sisters based
on this. That doesn't prove that he did but I would certainly be
open to the possibility. --Scott |
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